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  • William Kistner

    Star Trek would win with one Letter Q and the Borg a Tactical Cube is 1.88 Miles Squared. There is nothing in Star Wars That Could Handle the Borg Oh u Say the Emporer i Say Q. Q can Move Galaxies Vador or the Emporer Can’t.

  • William Kistner

    The Borg is a Forcd of Nature and then you have the Crystline Entity.

  • William Kistner

    The Borg React to any kind of Enery Weapon Including Plasma Weapon and Plasma Swords. The is A force of Nature and Q is the Force.

  • Darth Sidious’ apprentice

    You trekkies are forgetting that Darth Vader killed off the entire jedi order almost single handedly and would wipe his ass with the borg collective. The star federation doesnt have many designated warships while the empire is a galactic civilization that has thousands of star destroyers. Oh and the death star would just blow up planets and destroy starfleet.

    • John

      There’s no evidence that midi-chlorians exist in Star Trek. The Federation’s advanced science hasn’t found them and nobody has figured out how to use anything that could be described as the Force. Without the Force Vader would just be a tall, wheezy cyborg with a plasma sword. The Borg have been seen to adapt to many varieties of advanced weapons and since plasma is relatively primitive, they would have no problem with it. Chances are they’ve encountered dozens, if not hundreds of species that use plasma weapons. Given the fact that Star Trek’s technology is on average superior to Star Wars technology, it stands to reason that any Borg drone is going to be technologically superior to Vader. They’ve assimilated technology from thousands of species and there are trillions of them. If the Empire is a galactic civilization, then evidence points to it being a small galaxy; otherwise, they’re just one part of it. Sources conflict on that point. It’s true that the Federation has few dedicated warships but their technological advantage means that almost all of their non-dedicated warships could beat a Star Destroyer. When you throw in ship classes like the Sovereign, Prometheus, Defiant, and Akira, it becomes obvious that Star Trek has a huge one-on-one advantage. The Death Star wouldn’t be able to blow up many planets before being intercepted by many Starfleet ships. Its superlaser can’t target ships that small so it’d be useless at that point. The Death Star does have many turbolasers but their range and accuracy will be as bad as all other turbolasers. Advanced Starfleet sensors would spot the exhaust pipe weakness and they could target it with exhaust-seeking torpedoes. A good website comparing the two is here: st-v-sw.net. There’s a good page with a full comparison of the two (http://st-v-sw.net/STSWcompare.html) and many in-depth articles. I also recommend watching the youtube videos of idazmi7 and redshirtguy96. They use on-screen footage to compare the two so people can visually see for themselves and come to their own conclusions.

    • Tony Clements

      Umm, Vader didn’t kill pretty much any of the Jedi Order, that was Order 66 from the Emperor. All DV was, was a Death Star construction foreman making sure it got built, the CW troopers killed most of the jedi.

  • Andrew ZHang

    Star Trek would win, Because HAVE YOU SW MORONS EVEN SEEN HOW MUCH DAMAGE A SINGLE FREAKING PHOTON TORPEDO CAN DO?!! Also, Star trek has much more powerful blasters. 150 feet is the maximum amount a Turbolaser can damage on a ship. 2300 feet is the max amount of destruction a phaser at max can do.

  • Andrew ZHang

    If the death star was VS the enterprise, (ANY MODEL), the crew would just unload photon torps toward the main superlaser, which would disable it. next, they could simply beam crew members onboard

  • Godzilla

    If a troupe of SW stormtroopers were in a firefight with ST red shirts, the stormtroopers would still miss every shot and the ST red shirts would still die.

  • Colton Simons

    Star Trek is just overall more classy :)

  • Kennedy Parker

    Both has good and bad points. SW has names that do not really tell what the weapon is. Calling a particle beam weapon a laser is like calling a Colt .45 a slingshot or a 50 cal a catapult. SW seems to always be fighting. ST seems like a Utopian future that explorers and everything belongs to the government. One good thing is money means nothing as long as one is in the Federation. I think a bit of both would be best ST and SW would be best. I could earn for a space ship instead of a car instead of only work aboard one. Both have similar technology minus a few pieces here and their. SW looks to build things out than finding ways to shrink their technology. ST enhances it and shrinks it. I like how different the aliens look in SW compared to ST, but all of them would be freakin great. Know getting SW out of a legend style story and in to something like ST would be great. Like what if SW meets ST on a timeline that the same. SW should have much more advanced tech, and a lot less wars. The Federation and the New Republic would be making trade deals and enhancing eachothers tech if not porting tech to eachothers base tech. Deeper explorations and conflicts to make the story go on.

  • ncwill

    Star Trek would win not because of a numerical or military advantage, but because Trek technology is superior to Wars. Star Trek has transporters, superior weapons, superior shields, and can easily adapt to Star Wars technology. And in case you were wondering, I am only talking about the Federation. The Klingons, Romulans, Cardassia and all the other Trek powers would defeat the Empire within a week.

  • ncwill

    One argument I am getting sick and tired is the Jedi Mind Trick. Wars fans think that the Force can allow any Jedi or Sith to fully control any man, alien, or cyborg ease. However, all canon resources( I don’t accept expanded universe junk) state that the Force can only allow the Jedi or Sith to manipulate, not control, the weak minded. Most Star Trek races, especially Vulcans, are strong minded and can resist the mind trick

  • KaidaStorm

    Really everyone is just arguing what wins out: Magic or Science?

  • william baxter

    Star wars is for kids or basement geeks and yoda can suck my ass! Least star trek is far superior!

  • SwaggyBilbo

    im going to say star wars because it has the force and lightsabers but startrek has cool stuff too but i think a lightsaber is cooler then a phaser just sayin

  • ace

    Star wars

  • FlamingHawk

    Star Wars. Duh.
    Actually, it isn’t duh. I do think Star Trek may be more detailed. But hey, you can’t expect Star Wars to do in 6 movies what Star Trek did in an entire show. I just like Star Wars better.

  • Anthony Gonzalez

    star trek and star wars are both awesome but no shields in star wars really and all i like is chewbacca thats it nothing else

  • Valenn

    When Star War’s best ships are still rocking the old personally manned cannons, can’t cloak and can’t even tell if other shops are hitching a ride on them, yah you would be considered heavily outdated tech in the Star Trek universe. Sorry Star Wars, get some weapon locking tech at least and we will talk.

    • Valenn

      ships not shops sorry

  • Kavoovoo

    I’d like to point out to people who are saying borg adapt to any shot…that first, yes, they can probably adapt to standard particle shots form an EE11, say, but all the empire would need to do is break out the old BlasTech DC-15 line, used by clone troopers, which cannot be adapted to because they’re hybrid particle-ion blasters. They shut down machines as well as pelt them with particle energy, thus making adaptation useless.

    Also, there is the matter of the force. Which can, as shown in canon, be used by a sufficiently skilled force wielder, to crush, smash or even disassemble droids to their component parts in seconds. The adaptation is also meaningless there because the force is an intangible field generated by all living things and controlled via the mind. It’s not physical, it’s what keeps universe itself held together.

    There is also the fact that you cannot teleport into a shielded vessel, and finally, the sample fact of Stormtrooper armor. Which is ballistics armor, and cannot be breached by knives or even armor piercing bullets. A borg drill would have difficulties taking that out.

    There is also the fact of heavy weapons. Borg sheilds rely on personal power generators, whearas, say, an AT-ST’s cannon is still a cannon, and one shot should be enough to overwhelm the shields and crisp the borg. Also, borg do not adapt as a race. How many times has someone hit them with a phaser and they drone “Adapting?” Also, let us not forget that there are so many makes and outputs of blaster, laser, phaser, maser, slugthrower vibroweapon and thermal weapons, with variable power outputs, that adapting to one isn’t going to help much when there’s another million different weapons on different settings out there.

    Furthermore. Thermal detonators. These create an implosion field that vaporizes the target, and sheilds are useless against them since they basically mash anything within the radius. Borg aren’t immune to physics. It’s directed power weapons.
    (Which by the way means that while a borg may be able to adapt to energy and solid slug weapons, bashing one over the head with a club would probably be an unbeatable strategy, they, as I said, cannot adapt to physics and gravity and mucle power are some of the simplest forms of physics)

    Onto Star Destroyers. As exemplified with sputter lasers, a ship weapon has basically infinite levels of power settings. Try beating that.

    Onto the final, penultimate argument, that really has no rebuttal.

    I’d like to see Borg try and assimilate battle droids.

  • azagcat

    Trek. By far. Get a bunch of tribbles. Beam them over to a star destroyer or Death Star. No Dr. McCoy in Star Wars to figure them out. Game over.

  • Spock

    Both Star Trek and Star Wars are world-renowned television series and films, and both have defined science fiction and have changed the whole cinema industry forever. However, when pressed I would have to say that Star Trek is better. It is just my opinion, but I just found that Star Trek was just more entertaining. I believe that the whole Trek universe is more profound, creative, and fascinating than Star Wars could ever be. That said, I must admit that Star Wars is also a fascinating series with a captivating storyline, wonderful special effects, and creative themes that is almost unsurpassed in the science fiction genre.

  • Guest

    Before Vader can do anything, Q shows up and turns the Death Star into a huge explosion. So much for fighting Q.

  • Nate grey

    Star Wars wins no question because there are Jedi who could just ripe the entipres in half

  • BATMAN!

    Star trek is almost at it’s 50 year mark. Thats cool you know what else is cool ME an you know what is not cool STAR WARS, well Star Trek is better anyway. Who needs magical laser swords when you have a gun with a frikin laser beam!

  • BATMAN!

    oh. a galaxy far far away, lets just let them be humans because of reasons!

  • Aki86

    What I don’t understand ist why, Star Wars Fans often refer to the EU? Star Wars has also spinoffs (Holiday Special, Christmas Special, Ewoks: Battle of Endor) and TV Shows – okay most Animated and CGI stuff (The Ewoks, Droids, Clone Wars, TCW, Rebels), so why should be the books be canon? Trek has also The Animated Series which is in my opinion also interesting.

  • Aki86

    I know it’s a double post but what I really like about Trek that it foreshades, inspires or uses some of the technology earlier as in our real world. Like the communicators (wrist communicators) which are inspired mobile phones, and the padds (–> Iphones/Ipads, tablet pcs), transparent aluminium (–>ALON), the hypo spray, universal translator, biotechnology etc etc. Okay Star Wars has a lot of droids, yes, but what has it done in the real world? Star Trek has Data, which is furthermore a model for future androids. ^^ Also has Trek a connection to the NASA which why the first US Space Shuttle is named Enterprise, and images from the Voyager space probes are used the ST: TMP even the name for Voyager 6 which become V’Ger (that’s what I like about TMP). It inspires many, many peoples which become engineers, scientists, physicians (and actors like Whoopi Goldberg) to work on the technology which is shown in the TV-Series and movies. Now xprise want to develop a system which is like the tricorder (http://tricorder.xprize.org/about/overview). And even the brigde from the original Enteprise is highly rewarded for it’s efficent design. So Trek wins a lot more than Wars.

  • William Kistner

    Q is the force Q can move galaxies the force cant Q can snap his fingers and guess what no more force.

  • William Kistner

    Yes Star wars has Shields but they are nothing compared to Star Trek Shields the galaxy class ship (enterprise D) has seven layers of shields. And a Quantum Torpedo would rip the hell out an ISD.

  • Michael Young

    Star Wars is better.

  • Savi0r

    The physical world of Star Wars does not make sense. Newtonian classical physics would conflict and destroy everything in the Star Wars Universe. I mean their battlecruisers would collapse and implode. They can only reach lightspeed…
    In Star Trek, there are laws and rules within Einstein’s law of special relativity, that they are aware about. In Star Trek, they are capable of using wormholes, lightspeed, beam transporters, allies from other civilizations, shields… something that star wars lack

  • Savi0r

    the problem here is that, people that voted star wars, dont or haven’t seen star trek nor have knowledge of star trek. It is completely biased vote and misleading vote. Due to the fact that, Star Wars appeal to audience with CGI and light sabers, while In Star Trek, is toward the generation from the 1960′s “The day of tomorrow.” Star Trek audience are fully aware of Star Wars knowledge, and understand that the laws of physics are extremely outweighed by real life physics.

    • Guest

      I agree with you, everybody just votes Star Wars because they haven’t watched Star Trek and they all have watched Star wars when they were kids. If I remember correctly, TOS wasn’t popular, so that’s why it only lasted 3 seasons; but I heard that many people later on thought that they should of continued TOS adding a 4th season. I loved watching TOS and TNG and it clearly states in small details per episode how Star Trek is indeed better than Star Wars.

      • Guest

        Also adding how Star Trek is older than Star Wars, which means Star Trek should of gotten the upperhand

  • Guest

    Q is the most powerful being in the Star Trek universe. The strongest in the Star Wars universe would be the Jedi and the Sith. Since we know the Jedi and Sith can both kill each other with the force or with their lightsaber, which made the top 10 list for top 10 sci fi weapons. However, anybody who has watched Star Trek knows what Q can do. He can end the universe with a snap of a finger, or throw a party on a starship. Everybody knows how big of a troll Q can be, so Star Trek wins with a simple snap of a finger.

  • Just stating the obvious
  • goldy

    Star wars

  • ArchKnight

    I have tried to research what kind of sensors the targeting computers of ships in Star Wars use. As far as I can tell, they are EM based. Meaning they can only function at the speed of light (like modern radar). In addition, it seems that Star Wars weaponry has to be targeted MANUALLY. Reference Han and Luke shooting down tie fighters from the Millennium Falcon using methodology not unfamiliar to the crew of a B-17 bomber during Earth’s “World War II”.
    As far as I can find, this is true even on board a Star Destroyer.
    This means that there is no way on in all the galaxy that the gunners onboard a Star Destroyer will ever HIT a Federation Starship. I will explain why.
    Weapons onboard a Federation Starship are not aimed manually. The computer uses subspace sensors (which function through subspace and are therefore FTL – Faster Than Light) to locate the specified target and to aim and fire the weapons. A Starfleet Weapons officer does not aim at the enemy ship … he/she/it chooses the specific point on the enemy ship he/she/it wishes the computer to hit.
    Subspace sensors can even scan the enemy ship, under most circumstances, to identify the function of a particular point. The computers can target and strike this target even if the Federation Starship itself is moving at FTL speeds. While most SW fans assert that Star Destroyers (SD) are faster than Starships, I have never seen any evidence that SD’s can actually FIGHT at FTL speeds. It is Start Trek cannons that Star Ships can fight entire battles at FTL speeds.
    A Starships sensors will easily identify the sheer raw firepower of a Star Destroyer, alerting the crew to rely on speed and maneuverability.
    Thus, the attack plan against a Start Destroyer starts out fairly simple: Accelerate to Warp 1.1; Fire at will
    Now, while there’s no way the crew of a Star Destroyer will ever score a hit on a Star Ship moving at FTL speeds, it may well be that standard Starfleet weapons simply can’t inflict enough damage on a Star Destroyer to disable it, but I’m not sure.
    The destructiveness of a phaser does not come from sheer, raw power as do the main guns on a Star Destroyer. A phaser is columnated energy, fired through sub-space (again, making it travel at FTL speeds). Some literature indicates that a phaser also contains an anti-matter particle beam.
    Thus, traveling through subspace, a phaser affects the matter of the target in ways that sheer, raw power never could. In the ST universe, of course, the Federation’s enemies are well aware of all this and design their shields and ships with these facts in mind.
    Thus, I am not at all sure that a phaser won’t rip right through the SD’s bridge (easily located by the Starships sensors) with no problem. But let’s assume that the Star Destroyer’s armor is dense enough to offer high resistance to phasers.
    There is some question whether SW shields will even affect something traveling through subspace. The phasers may by-pass the shields entirely by simply not passing through the same space the shields occupy. But that is speculation, so let’s assume that SW shields can, in fact, stop something being fired through subspace.
    What we do see in SW is two different types of shields. Those generated internally by the ship/station being protected, and those projected from an external source.
    The first Death Star was protected by shields generated by the Death Star itself. Through this shield, physical objects, such as similarly shielded X-Wing fighters, were able to pass through the shield, though with some resistance.
    The second Death Star was protected by a shield generated from the nearby moon of Endor. This shield could not be penetrated by the shielded rebel ships, so Calrissian had to order the fleet to “pull up” so they would not be smashed against the shields.
    So, let’s assume that the SD’s shields (generated by the SD itself) will, in fact, stop phasers cold in their tracks, or that the combination of shields, armor, and sheer size is enough to keep the Starship from inflicting sufficient damage against the Star Destroyer.
    Now, the thing about Starfleet crews is they are trained for Space Exploration. To this end, in addition to combat skills, they are also trained to “think on their feet”. They are trained, like Apollo Astronauts, to use the equipment they’ve got in creative ways to do things never envisioned by the engineers. This is a plot element of around 80% (statistic not derived from scientific survey) of all Star Trek episodes.
    So … the crews frequently invent new weapons/techniques in the middle of an episode. A volley of shielded photon/quantum torpedoes could certainly be created “on-the fly” by a Starship crew and would no doubt penetrate a SD’s shields. A warp-driven shuttle can be loaded down with an anti-matter bomb and it’s autopilot programmed to fly it straight into the Star Destroyer’s bridge at Warp 4. Frankly, at Warp 4, I’m not sure it matters WHERE the shuttle hits.
    My option, being a lover of automated fighting, would be as follows:
    1. Have engineering staff construct some anti-matter bombs. If that will take too long, photon torpedoes will probably do.
    2. Program computer to do the following, very, very quickly.
    a. fly the Starship at Warp 2 through the SD’s shields with our hulls just far apart enough to make room for our own shields. Yes, Starfleet Nav computers can do that.
    b. Drop out of warp inside the SD’s shields.
    c. In the space of about 1/10 of a second … far too quickly for the SD crew to react, the computer will drop our shields, use the cargo transporters to beam anti-matter bombs/photon torpedoes onto the bridge and into the engine room (no need to worry about all the silly safety features used to transport living things), then raise shields and go to Warp 5 and get the Trek out of there.
    3. From thousands of kilometers away, watch Star Destroyer explode on screens.
    Thus, I think a Starfleet Starship (especially Galaxy class or higher) could absolutely destroy a Star Destroyer. Not by going “toe-to-toe” with it certainly, but by using it’s more exotic technology.
    But, sadly, that’s not really our problem.
    If the Empire were to suddenly invade the Federation, the problem is going to be that StarDestroyers can surround Federation planets and pound them into submission before Starships can reach them.
    Our hope then is that I’m not sure what will happen when they reach Vulcan. If the Vulcans resurrect the old Kolinar disciplines that allow them to use their telepathy as a weapon (and being very logical, I imagine they would do exactly that if the survival of their planet was at stake and they had any kind of warning at all … which they did NOT have in the J.J. Abrams reboot), then they can probably have the crews of the Start Destroyers shooting each and jumping out airlocks before Starfleet ever gets there. And how long will it take the VULCANS to reverse engineer Star Destroyers? A week … maybe?

  • the unknown logic poster

    If I may on this seeing and knowing both sides of the argument in this I’ve found that in the long run both sides win.

    Look at it in my perspective. In full truth for these two in star trek The Federation would not want war at all since the enterprise is an foremost an exploration vessel. This means if star trek met with star wars on any planet democracy and peace would be first even if it was met in with enemy’s. Now if your a star wars fan you may say enemy’s would attack anyways IE star wars empire. With this in mind this can lead to a war be tween the two sides but the federation would still find allies (the rebels) and soon come to mutual terms due to their democratic nature in finding matters. This means good guys with good guys and bad guys with bad and etc. However in terms of enemy’s the Borg, the dominion, the orions, and the ferengi would all be part of the party for and or against both sides. The Borg would be against both as well as orions and the dominion. Ferengi would be a neutral party.

    Technologically speaking the Borg can’t really adapt to physical attacks proven in the movie first contact, when Picard shot three Borg with a Tommy gun. So the force could keep them away and crush them with objects (also in first contact word kills a Borg with a knife) however the Borg can adapt to lightsaber since they are more of an energy or hardened light blade. Now when ship’s come into play although star trek has few ships to match size they outmatch in speed, tactic and and use. The use of shields and energy in both sides shows greatly. For instance shields in star trek also include reflectors while in star wars most are only deflector shields. Now sewing most pictures online the most favored fight is a star destroyer against a galaxy class star ship.

    The galaxy class has the saucer desperation which in terms can count for two vessels. Now if these two vessels fought the galaxy class can win due to its maneuverability and its shields against the shields and maneuverability of a star destroyer. A star destroyer has a large deflector shield however these can be drained and shot through.
    Weapon wise the galaxy class still wins. The star destroyer s fibroblasts are densely compacted energy from its core but would only add to the galaxy’s shields which can absorb energy and disperse it. Ion cannons however May cause a drain or a small malfunction to consoles but will not damage starships. But it’s proton torpedoes could. This in mind star trek scientifically could breakdown vessels and target weak points, it’s phaser banks is a mix of compacted and phased ions, protons and neutrons into a deadly high temperature plasmonic beam. Photon torpedoes are a atom crushing warhead inside a dense photonic break that is launched at vessels. Upon contact this warhead collapses and smashes photons causing the explosion.

    Now if we went on to the smaller ship’s star wars wins due to the vast array of fighters, bombers and attackers.

    But in terms of troops neither wins
    Star wars vs star trek all good guys? Star wars wins
    Star trek vs star wars all bad guys? Star trek wins
    Star wars vs star trek both sides allied together against each other? Star trek wins due to use of the q, and the Borg. This is due to the fact that the q can alter dimensions and reality at will and cause anything they want to occur, the Borg can adapt to any energy attack from blasters ship weapons and so on allowing assimilation and incorporating of technology. This means if a Borg successfully assimilated a Jedi they’d know how to attack jedi, what a lightsaber is how to adapt to it and how to use it themselves. Maybe MAYBE even understand the force.

    Now that this giant explanation is here let’s all agree both sides have great shows and were all excited about the latest star wars movie coming up.

  • DisqusG52

    for entertainment take Star Wars; for kicking ass, Star Trek all the way. the fastest star wars ship out there, the Falcon, can make point five past light speed; at warp factor 2, a star trek shuttlecraft has already outclassed the Falcon. Captain Janeway in the gamma quadrant in Star Trek actually achieved warp factor 10, which basically put them at every point in the universe simultaneously. Captain Kirk in NCC-1701 Enterprise and even in a Klingon scoutship, has almost routinely travelled back and forth through time itself, actually carrying 2 whales and enough sea water to let them float in a tank, in a puny Klingon scout ship! ( that scout ship would be like a chihuahua attacking a pit bull if it tried to challenge the Enterprise,) yet, that Klingon scout ship could take out Vader, the Falcon, and an x-wing all by itself! Star Trek, without a doubt!

  • DisqusG52

    in one Star Trek paperback, a Federation Marine Sergeant handed a hand-held shoulder fired phaser cannon to William Riker, and said ‘this thing is powerful enough to knock a small moon out of it’s orbit’. (an example of Star Trek weaponry)

  • LORD

    If the federation and the jedi had a fight the jedi would obviously win.

  • starWarsforeva22

    Star Wars all the way, and if anyone think Spock and his dumb*** could win against Darth Vader- Dark lord of the Sith, most violent Jedi killer of all time, In canon he only lost 1 duel according to Wookieepedia. Also the force could win against almost anything trust me as I am a role-player, there is the basics like Lightning, Choking, Pushing, Crush, then there is Force Repulse and Dark Transfer which can kill you! Little b**** Spock will die in an instant. The clone army beats any Trek army 10 billion to one. When it comes to best suit Princess Leia Slave Outfit beats that girl in the whatever color outfit. Star Wars crushes Star Trek Like A Boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Alex Enriquez

    I think star trek would win because they have photon torpedos and it can beam things up and star wars has this litle tiny Lazer and star trek had there big guns and everything like that vs all the federation ships and some empire ships star trek would win

  • Army22

    I found this on Quora today and it is the best argument I’ve seen as to why Star Trek would defeat Star Wars. Despite the desires of the many fans the Star Trek universe is rife with economic, tactical, social, and technological superiority. Claims of Star Wars victories all seem to echo the Stalin-esque view that ‘Quantity has a Quality all its own. But this is profoundly misguided. Here’s why:

    Economic
    Star Wars population is very difficult to assess. Some estimates suggest a 1,000,000 world Empire. But the Galactic Senate depicts a vastly smaller political entity. According to Star Wars Wiki the Empire was divided into units of 50 systems each with a senator. However, the Senate only has 2,000 members. Which means a galactic polity of 100,000 active members. This is still vastly greater than the Federation with something like 150 members and 1-5 thousand worlds. However, the nature of this population is most important. The Empire, while having far larger population appears weakly integrated. Entire populations (quite commonly) are depicted as isolated and poor. Basic farming or harvesting seems commonplace. Much of the population appears uneducated and even tribal. While the core worlds are densely populated they are apparently completely dependant on agricultural and other products from the empire. This means Star Wars retains a traditional resource economy model. Star Trek by contrast has matter/energy conversion. The Federation is deeply integrated with almost no poverty and a large decentralized membership of worlds. The importance of matter/energy conversion cannot be overemphasized. On a war footing the only limits to the Federations economic capacity is energy which is in vast supply in both universes. In addition, each world is at least theoretically capable of self sufficiency. Although there still appears to be strategic resources in Trek (dilithium comes to mind) these are relatively limited and the series has routinely demonstrated that they can innovate when necessary around them. The greatest advantage of the Empire is size. But the small highly integrated and economically more advanced Federation is similar to the inequality many leading nations in earth history have held over their more numerous adversaries. Numbers alone cannot determine the issue.

    Social
    The Federation is a democracy with fully functioning representative government that has demonstrated unfailing resolve in the face of both invasion and subversion. A careful, adaptive, and strategic mindset is universally depicted with the Federation routinely tackling better armed and more numerous adversaries. The Empire is a dictatorship deeply riven by insurrection and dissent. Entire planetary economies are in de facto revolt with the best technology of key defence companies in the hands of the Rebellion (I.e. Incom). Control is maintained through direct rule via regional governors and is shaky enough that planetary obliteration is required in order to maintain control. When pressed the Federation will coalesce (as it did with the Borg). Its unified Tech basis and energy economy means perfectly fluid production and great adaptability. Individual initiative and problem solving is a Trek hallmark. Similar initiative in Star Wars is shown as being a quick way to a Force induced death. Although both world have great diversity the Empire is deeply racist and enforces a human first ethic which severely restricts the full participation of most of their Empires inhabitants. Star Trek has no such barriers. Such social cooperation would present a huge propaganda advantage to Trek. Who could offer union to the vast, under trodden alien masses and endless material support to the Rebellion.

    Tactical
    Detection, Evasion, Range. These three elements spell the doom of the Empire. The sensors in Star Trek can discern the individual cellular make up of individuals on a planet from orbit, can detect ships from trillions of kms away (in other sectors) and can track and successfully target objects at ranges of hundred of thousands of kms in space. By contrast sensors on a Star Destroyer cannot even detect droids in a unshielded pod. They cannot track down individual aliens (say…a Wookie) on a planet and most combat occurs at VISUAL range with a remarkable rate of misses. Cloaking technology in Trek, which is effective against that milieu’s vastly superior sensor Tech, would be an overwhelming advantage making most Trek vessels effectively invisible. Even without this, the range and accuracy of sensors means that Trek vessels could detect SW vessels at vast distances, and engage them while remaining completely invisible. As modern fighter combat has routinely demonstrated the age of the dog fight is past. Long range detection and strike renders numbers almost meaningless. Like a modern F-22 (with nearly unlimited ammo) enemies inside the weapon envelope can be eliminated long before they can even bring their weapons to bare.

    Weapon tech is also no contest. Photon torpedoes travel at warp speed. This means that are unblockable by SW vessels whose reaction time is such that skilled humans can provide superior guidance as compared to their computers (thus their manual firing). Photon torpedoes are matter/antimatter devices whose yeilds have been described as being able to wipe out cities with a single torpedo. Proton torpedoes are sublight (and slow) missiles that can destroy city blocks. Given that several LASER shots and the impact of a vessel travelling at sublight was sufficient to destroy the shield generators on an Executor Class vessel it is perfectly possible for ST ships to target the sheilds of Star Destroyers from ranges well beyond the detection range of those ships and bombard them with total impunity.

    Without going into the difficult discussion around energy outputs of beam weapons. ST beams are computer controlled, use the vastly superior Trek sensors and computer systems and have output that has been described as being capable of destroying the entire surface of a planet. Turbo lasers (save and except the Death Star) have limited firing arcs and while incredibly numerous are dramatically limited by poor fire control and range. In Trek it would be a foolish captain that would enter firing range but Trek Shielding has repeatedly encountered “laser” weapons and indicated that they posed little or no threat to the shield capacity of their vessels. On more than one occasion Trek shields have resisted near nuclear strikes, plasma blasts that have eradicated entire planetary installations (near nuclear level) or torpedoes capable of reducing modern vessels into component atoms (ST: The Motion Picture). Given the ability of small, unshielded craft to survive direct strikes from turbo laser batteries the shields of Trek could offer near complete shielding for all but the most intense fusillade. On this note, much is made of the lack of fighters in Trek. One simple explanation is that such craft simply cannot survive when pitted against capital ship level phasers targeted by near AI level computer and tracking systems. Put simply, what Trek ships aim at they hit. Nearly always. Small ships simply do not challenge large ships in Trek and with good reason.

    Additionally, transporters have huge tactical advantages. Without shields and at distances of tens of thousands of kms the Federation would be able to teleport fusion weapons directly into launch bays or engine rooms. Finally, warp capability means that Federation ships can travel faster than human reaction (which is apparently the benchmark for targeting in Star Wars). This means they can effectively move with impunity through the battle zone.

    Bottom line, the sheer size of the Empire presents the most compelling threat to the Federation. But it is facing a small, tightly integrated, post scarcity Federation possessed of ships with vastly greater tactical flexibility. The political attractions of the Federation are also not to be understated as political warfare is an area the Federation may be uniquely well positioned to capitalize on. If the Federation could survive long enough to ramp up to a war footing sheet tactical advantages could prove more than a match for the Empire’s vast numerical superiority.

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  • Filippo

    What are you saying?! ST would have NO possibilities to survive! Don’t think that a Star-Destroyer has given the best against the little Millenium Falcon! A single Start-Destroyer could use a lot of weapon against another similar cruiser-ship and could annihilate ST in a few time!

Star Trek

For over 40 years, Star Trek has been a fixture in Science Fiction television and film. “Star Trek, The Original Series” first aired in September of 1969, featuring the now legendary and unforgettable, William Shatner, as Captain Kirk. Although the ratings struggled and the Original series only lasted three years, Star Trek became a instant cult classic. Since the original series, there have been numerous films and five additional television series’. One of the most widely successful of which was “Star Trek , The Final Frontier”, with Patrick Stewart playing Jean-Luc Picard, captain of the Enterprise.

Star Trek story-lines are based around space exploration and the goal to “to boldly go where no man has gone before”. Each television series depicts the adventures of crews from different star ships. Along the way, conflict is brought about by clashes with alien life forms and the inherit dangers of space exploration.

Some of the memorable Star Trek characters include: Captain Kirk, Captain Picard, Spock, Data , Geordi La Forge, Worf (to name a few).

While Star Trek has always had an overall serious feel, there was always a humorous undertone. Who could forget the episode from Next Generation when Data is learning to understand humor and tries his hand at stand up?

Star Wars

If you were to ask a person what movie comes to mind when you say the word “Sci-Fi”, “Star Wars” would likely be the answer. In a lot of ways, the Star Wars series defined what Sci-Fi is today.

The first Star Wars movie, “Star Wars Episode IV, A New Hope” was released in 1977. Since the release of A New Hope, the series has become a pop culture phenomenon. Every type of merchandise that can be imagined has been created base on the Star Wars films. From video games to drinking cups, there are very few things that don’t offer a Star Wars themed option. Even Motorola jumped on the star wars bandwagon releasing an R2D2 version of their successful Droid Phone in 2010.

The Star Wars films have earned over 4 billion dollars worldwide, making it one of the highest grossing film series in history. The plot of Star Wars is based around the life of Luke and Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader). To sum it up… with an in depth, well thought out storyline derived from a meticulous attention to detail, the films overall plot is a story depicting an epic battle between good and evil. Luke, a Jedi is the protagonist for “Good” while Darth Vader, a high ranking general of the “the Dark Side” is the protagonist for evil. The two characters meet in the end of an epic journey to make for one of the most memorable moments in film history.

The execution of the film and the special effects in each film have always been ahead of their time. George Lucas and his production company, Lucasfilm was a pioneer in CGI. Lucas pulled out all the stops when it came to special effects and editing techniques in the the Star Wars films. They are known as some of the most groundbreaking films in CGI.

While Star Wars was an instant classic in the theatres as is today a cultural phenomenon, can the longevity and originality of Star Trek hold up in contrast?

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